Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it – no matter if I have said it! – except it agree with your own reason and your own common sense.” – Siddhartha Gautama, a.k.a. the Buddha

sittin’round the fire, thinking

We all know that there is a mess of confusion in the world right now. Hell, many of us have been harping about what is happening now for years and oft-times felt like we were (are) bangin’ our heads against a wall.
There has been a lot of talk lately of secession of the states and parallel governments/economies and the like. Some of that has been taking place around the fires here in the woods.
Kerodin has been getting group motivated towards the Citadel.

Bill Nye has been preaching the “Local, Local, Local” thing since the Birth of the Patcom’s  earlier this year, and that message has been carried by Craig and myself and many others since.

And I am still hearing “what do we do?” in many circles.

Well, I most certainly don’t want to give away too much information about plans that are not 100% my own, but I can give a direction to work in IF AND ONLY IF, you are willing to get off your ass and do something.   Things are at a point now where being a keyboard commando is only going to delay the inevitable for you.    You have to get out of the office chair and get your hands dirty and calloused with something more substantial than a frikkin mouse and keypad.

Find something you can make.  Something not everyone has the time or resources for.   Jamie knows how to make solar ovens for example.   Say she puts 10 of ’em together one week and takes ’em to a gun show on the weekend.   (guessing on cost of production here) Say she makes them for $25 of material each and a couple of hours or 10 in her time.   She sells them for $60 at the gun show (in the parking lot so she doesn’t have to pay a table fee) or at the local flea market, by setting a sign up as “emergency cooking ability”.   She has $250 in them, (not including time) and goes home with $600.   She then turns that around and makes ten more for the next weekend.   She is still $350 up for her time and to provide for herself. (granted first run is actually only $100 profit but you have to invest first or you get nowhere)   Now, she is already a prepper and trust in FRN’s is only in the fact that it is accepted by most;  What if she sold them for $2 in cold silver face value.   She would take a cut in price with the exchange rate, but that silver is worth more post collapse than pre-collapse (but you guys already know this).   OR, she could barter one or two to someone else for something she does not have, and does not have the ability to make.

Point is, she would be operating parallel to the actual accepted economy, not outright breaking of any laws, and staying far enough under the radar to not warrant negative attention of those that ‘wouldn’t approve’.  This may not be enough to ‘break even’, but would be a positive step in a move away from the system that is designed to enslave and break every player but the very top.   It would begin the transition of cutting her loose from that system and would also begin forming a network of others that would take the ‘hint’ and start creating other items: Literally creating a Grassroots economy alongside the current economy.

This system exists NOW.    In the south and southwest, there are ‘mexican flea markets’ that do this very thing,  and not just in products and junk, but in goods and services.    The entry is racial in many ways as if you aren’t brown, you won’t see all the deals, and one reason why a  lot ‘white folk’ are turned off by the idea.    Fact is, it IS a parallel economy working right along side of our ‘corporately blessed and government mandated’ system.

We are working towards becoming a third world society very quickly.   We can learn quite  a bit from third world economics NOW and be ahead of the game when that dollar plummets through the floors of wall st.  Think outside the box, That is the only way if we hope to move our butts forward to that freedom we know can exist.   We have to TAKE IT.   And that means DOING SOMETHING.


19 responses

  1. j.r. guerra in s. tx.

    What I hope (hoped ?) to do was be able to create soil cement block for various structures. A CINVA-RAM (see link was purchased 20 years ago with this project in mind. I figure that mass made building materials will become nearly extinct if (when) fuel disappears, and building on site will become much more the norm. Cisterns, retaining walls, small drainage projects – a lot of small things easy now will become more difficult. With a block machine like this, some concrete or lime, water and suitable dirt – you have something worth having.

    You are spot on about flea markets in southwest. Down here, many of the busineses like window tinting, tire shop, jewelry repair, small electrical appliance / communications shops and holes in the wall do pretty good business. A lot of non degreed folks do pretty well for themselves too. I’m light complected so am instantly pegged for ‘Gringo pricing’, but I’m somewhat fluent in language, my wife speaks it VERY well so we get by just fine. If you are trying to impress them, don’t even bother.

    I could be way off, but the home-made block one of my ideas – I got in too late on the ‘Rat-On-A-Stick’ franchise, lol.

    November 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    • Rat-on-a-stick Franchise? You MUST have been to P.I. on occasion. The Rat guys were right next to the Monkey on a stick BBQ guys. And they could get that meat smelling like the finest Texas brisket! LOL
      The block thing if it is portable is going to be a handy thing if you can find enough material to feed in dire times. I know that I wouldn’t mind having the ability to produce my own foundation block when I go to build. Another one would be a portable saw mill. Those guys are going to have to turn away work in the future.

      November 20, 2012 at 8:49 pm

  2. I’m going to the Hydrogen economy. Silver and gold are worthless to me anytime. Copper, brass, stainless, and assorted steels are worth more to me. I forgot to put lead in there too. Hydrogen on demand is where I’m going. FRN’s get changed into tangibles at the first chance I get. I barter hardware for hardware. I don’t need anything else.

    November 20, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    • Some of my best deals of late have been in resources. Found that Leg Vise I have been looking for at a scrap yard for $15; Yeah, it needs some work, but much easier to repair than find ‘New’. While silver and gold don’t account for any of the things I make, they could apply to gaining something I need in the future so I don’t write them off at present. Later, it may be the only commodity worth a shit outside of tangible goods, and there may be those that won’t barter, but demand silver or gold for goods. (and I know,


      won’t deal with them, but they may be the only answer for some. )

      November 20, 2012 at 10:56 pm

  3. Craig Cavanaugh

    Great post Dio. And exactly why “local local local” is so important. Can’t very well engage in this kind of economy from two states away, much less two counties away. Oh, and I’m chuckling at J.R. 🙂 Yep, don’t bother. The cement block idea is a damn good one!

    November 20, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    • Thanks C. I hadn’t looked at JR’s link until after I posted comment: that little brick maker is pretty slick. Ya still have the problem of feeding it proper materials, but it sure beats one of those machines I saw advertised in a P.M. magazine article.

      November 21, 2012 at 1:36 am

  4. Wildflower

    first you need a box to think outside of one

    texan on a stick, hmmm?

    November 21, 2012 at 1:54 am

  5. Trading Post/Barber Shop/Med clinic/ Gunsmithing. All well guarded by locals. Post collapse the flea market will be the MAIN market, get used to bartering AND negotiating.

    November 22, 2012 at 2:05 am

    • Wildflower

      add a laundermat and hair salon you would have more trade than you can handel….

      November 22, 2012 at 2:50 am

      • That laundromat would be a resource pig, but one that I hadn’t considered. Hair salons on the other hand, dunno bout that one, as it would be something that would seem frivolous in dire times. Granted, a guy with a set of clippers is always handy to have around in military units, but ‘styling’, dunno.

        November 22, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    • A good way to get used to it now is to try negotiating sales in current places. See an item in the clearance rack and talk to a manager about selling it without sales tax or dropping the price even further. I did that a few years back and was able to get some pretty cool stuff for a lot less than normal. Of course, the other option is what we see on Craigslist now, there is a barter section in the for sale area and there are some that do actually barter there. Just one more way to exercise skills now before you really need them, and you may end up with some stuff out of the blue that will help later down the road.

      November 22, 2012 at 1:44 pm

  6. Wildflower

    you questioned about a laundermat or even a salon ……. easy answer; it will attract women

    which will attract more men

    or how many ladies are going to put up with washboard and hair curlers?

    or how a trade area will eventually grow into a small city

    November 22, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    • Quick reply to this is one that I have stated many times. Best get the hard stuff in mind now. But you are right, it also goes to something I told up and coming bands many times: “Get the girls interested and the guys will follow” that applies to many many aspects of our world (and is one more fact to back up my belief that we really have not progressed THAT far away from the animal kingdom, but I digress)

      November 22, 2012 at 3:36 pm

  7. Dio ,good post Americans are still the greatest get it done one way or another people in the world. Dragon has a great thought on fuel,I know dick about hydrogen except it can go boom! Fuel once the gas is gone,forest stripped we will need fuel.No I have no answers just throwing it out for brighter minds to work on!


    November 22, 2012 at 4:38 pm

  8. Sorry but the thought of Dio with a blowdryer clippers and haircolor,straightening iron instead of torches and hammers n shit had me blowing Mt Dew out my nose. I need a perm an a set Bro pencil me in.Ha ha


    November 22, 2012 at 4:43 pm

  9. Ps to the gent with the idea no harm intended it is a good idea women want to look and feel pretty. Grid down will be no different. Just Dio setting hair.Still laughing .. Sadly in a pinch the talented sob could probably pull it off!


    November 22, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    • Maybe not Setting hair, but I could build the crap needed for it like hot irons and what not. I can just see you rolling around blowin’ Dew out your nose on that thought though.

      November 22, 2012 at 7:02 pm

  10. j.r. guerra in s. tx.

    How about a catfish farm ‘pay by the pound’ business ? If you have rural property that can be dug out for ponds, you have a home business that when times get slow, you still have fresh food to eat or trade. And if times get really tough, a resource your nearby neighbors would be pleased to defend.

    November 26, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    • I know such a place: given some time and effort, it would be a damned fine place as such.

      Not here though, gonna have to be a tad more inventive where I am at now.

      November 26, 2012 at 8:54 pm

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